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    [–]gotele[🍰] 166 points167 points  (32 children)

    I've just imagined an enemy coming up to the owner of this and saying that in the middle of the battlefield.

    [–]bsdacres 96 points97 points  (29 children)

    Doubt it would’ve been used by someone in battle as the technique weakens it’s strength. It was just costume and used to display ones wealth.

    [–]diychitect 25 points26 points  (2 children)

    Repousse actually increases strength. Next time you're near an artisans fair go look for someone that works this technique. Ask to grab a flat sheet of metal (prior to be worked on), then a grab sheet of the same thickness that has been worked and pressed with images. The worked piece will be way, waaay stiffer than the flat one.
    This is the same principle applied to ondulated metal sheets used on aircrafts mid century and also in other machines of transportation. It affords strength without adding weight by increasing thickness.
    There is reason that bent metal was seen in more expensive armor (like the german Gothic style).
    The price of the raw material is not the main reason for cost, but labour.

    Thinner armor was lighter and could be made as strong as simple thick plate, but it required master craftsmanship and way more hours of labour.

    Thicker armor was cheaper to make since they were simple "slabs" cut to shape, while the thinner metal had to be precisely bent, requiring a lot more knowledge, experience, tooling and time to make. Master crafstman the likes of Filipo Negroli commanded enormous sums of money for work like this.

    Hell, just grab a piece of paper, then fold it across a couple of times and see which one is stiffer and you'll get why "3D" surfaces are stronger.

    [–]bsdacres 8 points9 points  (1 child)

    Negroli usually made parade armor thoo. Most of his work is seen on Carlos I

    [–]diychitect 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    I would like to see what he, or his family workshop said about their work.

    [–][deleted] 107 points108 points  (22 children)

    Ornate armour like this was absolutely used in combat. The ones that survive tend to be ones that were never intended for it, but being ornate in no way suggests a weapon or piece of armour was not practical. People with wealth liked to stand out on the battlefield.

    [–]SydricVym 79 points80 points  (9 children)

    Plate armor isn't about completely stopping a blow, as the metal is actually quite thin. It's about causing swords, arrows, and spears to deflect and slide off to the side, so that the full force cannot come to bear on it. All this ornate metal work would give weapons tons of places to actually catch on the metal and bite into it, which ruins the point of the armor.

    Also, while kings did fight in the early medieval period, by the middle ages they had moved to watching battles from afar, and by 1555 they rarely were anywhere near where battles were being fought, instead relying on generals to command their armies.

    And Maximillian II specifically, who this armor was made for, tried to keep far away from wars and military affairs, and flat out refused to help the Pope out in wars against the Turks. So I think its pretty likely this armor never came near a real battle.

    [–]rbobby 52 points53 points  (2 children)

    arrows [...] to deflect and slide off to the side

    Here's a fun video of long bow vs chest armor that shows arrows deflecting. Especially interesting is the V part at the top of the armor.

    [–]chomponthebit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

    Awesome video! Thank you

    [–]Col_Leslie_Hapablap 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    I fucking love these rabbit hole videos.

    [–]thedrumsareforyou 27 points28 points  (2 children)

    Plate armor isn't about completely stopping a blow, as the metal is actually quite thin.

    Plate armor is absolutely designed to stop straight on blows, I don't know what you've been smoking. There's no sword or spear ever made that could penetrate this armor, and it can easily stop direct on English longbow shots, contrary to popular belief

    [–]diychitect 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    indeed, and actually what took the brunt of the force was the thick padding behind the armor.

    [–]thedrumsareforyou 11 points12 points  (0 children)

    Well, the brunt of the force was taken by the metal lol. But yes the padding will help with the blunt force trauma and its surprisingly resistant armor in its own right

    [–]_-Saber-_ 14 points15 points  (0 children)

    Plate armor isn't about completely stopping a blow, as the metal is actually quite thin. It's about causing swords, arrows, and spears to deflect and slide off to the side, so that the full force cannot come to bear on it.

    No, plate armor was completely imprevious to almost all forms of attacks at the time, including bullets for the later plate armors. A full power perfect spear thrust at no angle will still do nothing to a plate armor, you'd have to hit an armpit or something less protected.

    Decoration on an armor like this will not decrease its defensive properties in the slightest, the only problem would be that it makes it slighly heavier.

    [–]Atsuki_Kimidori 3 points4 points  (1 child)

    Plate armor for nobility absolutely designed to stop about everything: sword, spear, arrow and even musket bullet. Look at how the reproduction of the armor of William Compton, 1st Earl of Northampton performed against a musket at close range (they examined the metal composition and faithfully reproduced the armor here).

    https://streamable.com/g8k7ch

    [–]Arcturus1981 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Damn. I feel sorry for anybody that was standing just to the left of William. Either that or his left hand/arm. That shrapnel would've ripped it to shreds. Ouch.

    [–]bsdacres 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I’m not saying orange armor was not use just not one with this particular technique. While in battle the objective is to stay alive and most would prioritize that over relief work.

    [–]tach -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Well, most that aren't emperors and have a full retainer cohort to absorb blows way better than any armour.

    [–]4-Run-Yoda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I once watched a documentary and it said that this Armour was not used in battle but more as a flashy piece when being seen by peasants and other royalty and such, they would then swap the Armour out for something less flashy and more for protection rather then a show piece.

    [–]ohver9k 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Well, consider me impressed!

    [–]GenuineSteak 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It was used in combat. Rich people like kings or nobles wouldve definetly worn ornate armour into combat, as a status symbol. The decoration would not weaken the armour.

    [–]MasterSpryce 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    What did he say?

    [–]Platypushat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I love this image. Hilarious!

    [–]oblong_pancake 8 points9 points  (0 children)

    The technique is called repoussé, look it up!

    [–]sthlmsoul 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Yeah but the asymmetrical placement of the rivets are really bothering me in a completely irrational way.

    [–]WhiteEyed1 103 points104 points  (6 children)

    Unreal levels of craftsmanship.

    [–]Lord-o-Roboto 25 points26 points  (4 children)

    Yeah its incredible but that extra rivet on the left side is going to drive me mad.

    [–]ownedkeanescar 8 points9 points  (2 children)

    Isn't the one on the right just covered by the leather strap?

    [–]Lord-o-Roboto 7 points8 points  (1 child)

    Not that one look further down on the actual shoulder piece.

    [–]ownedkeanescar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Oh no.

    [–]EelTeamNine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    You're a monster for bringing this to my attention.

    [–]EducationalBar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

    How tho? We overlook this stuff bc of modern techniques but seriously how?

    [–]wang-bang 101 points102 points  (11 children)

    God damn, a little bit higher res and that would make an excellent wallpaper

    [–]Drake_Dangereux 27 points28 points  (10 children)

    You could try upscaling it via a website but i dunno how well it would turn out.

    [–][deleted]  (9 children)

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      [–]HORNS_IN_CALI 13 points14 points  (1 child)

      May God bless you.

      [–]DJ-Salinger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      Gotta love that this guy deletes all of his useful comments..

      [–]rbobby 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      Done and done.

      How did you do this?

      [–]sercankd 5 points6 points  (1 child)

      there are some ai stuff like letsenhance.io

      [–]strayhat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Is there a letsrotate.io?

      [–]diychitect 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Niceeee, but too bad it doesnt match 4k to use as a wallpaper, damn. how did you do it?

      [–]I_Makes_tuff 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      Wait, so we actually can actually "enhance" blurry photos now? It's been a joke for so long...

      [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Well, not super blurry ones (you can't create a lot of missing information out of thin air), but yes you can make a computer predict what a higher-resolution image would look like by training a neural network to produce a higher-resolution version that when downscaled looks like the original (you would train it on lots and lots of examples of images and their downscaled versions).

      [–]wang-bang 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Cool, thanks!

      [–]mosquito633 45 points46 points  (8 children)

      And I bet he never said “thank you.”

      [–]it1345 33 points34 points  (5 children)

      Thats what the money was for

      [–]mosquito633 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      Bet he never even paid for it

      [–]HansTheAxolotl 12 points13 points  (0 children)

      artists were very wealthy back then

      [–]SerLaron 5 points6 points  (0 children)

      He probably paid in exposure, as he had a lot of followers.

      [–]April_Fabb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      So what, think of the exposure.

      [–]stupid_prices 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      It was a gift...

      [–]nate1289 38 points39 points  (1 child)

      I wonder if he was like "make sure there are plenty of naked dudes hugging on my armor"

      [–]multivac2020 25 points26 points  (2 children)

      That’s a brilliant museum.

      [–]HORNS_IN_CALI 14 points15 points  (1 child)

      Absolutely - probably my favorite art museum to ever visit. Vienna's natural history museum is incredible as well.

      [–]B0rf_ 3 points4 points  (0 children)

      I was in Europe for school last semester and the Vienna Natural History Museum was my favorite one I visited. So much to see, and there was stuff from my home state which was awesome! I enjoyed that museum much more than most of the ones I saw in Greece or Rome

      [–]maizecake 19 points20 points  (0 children)

      I love HRE armor man... always bespoke as fuck

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        [–]pinchecody -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Happy cake day :)

        [–]louisvillejg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        I’m in love with the little pot bellies the lady angels have 🥰

        [–]Jaquemart 11 points12 points  (3 children)

        Yet the helmetMaximilian sent to Henry VIII is the ugliest thing ever.

        [–]mr-dogshit 11 points12 points  (1 child)

        Different Maximilian though (Maximilian I). Henry idolised him and especially his armour. When Henry set up the Royal Armoury in Greenwich he very much wanted to emulate the Maximilian style.

        The helmet is thought to be a caricature of Maximilian himself with his distinctive hook nose, depicted as a "fool" - hence the spectacles, the stubble and the drip on the underside of the nose. It's almost certainly a humorous gift from one lover of fine armour to another.

        [–]Jaquemart 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        He had an helmet with ram horns too. And a like for chess patterns, it seems.

        But the glasses might be a reference to Henry - he needed them.

        [–]BillohRly 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Praise the Horned Barista.

        [–]Basicallyabush 6 points7 points  (0 children)

        That’s amazing

        [–]RichardHenri 13 points14 points  (5 children)

        Would they actually fight in those? Or are they more of a ceremionial armor?

        [–]oblong_pancake 12 points13 points  (0 children)

        Its parade armour, although interestingly there is a family from italy called the Negroli family who created works like this out of steel, which would have been better suited to the battlefield than the metal they were using for practical battlefield armour at the time.

        Edit; the interesting part about the negroli family, aside from the astounding work they created, is that using steel was peculiar for the time because it was still a new and unrefined discovery.

        [–]Reeftankz10000 28 points29 points  (3 children)

        I’m sure it was ceremonial, you wouldn’t generally have an Emperor charging into the frontlines

        [–]federvieh1349 13 points14 points  (1 child)

        Not usually, but... Karl V

        Edit: That's the uncle of Maximilian II (armour guy), btw. Painting by Tizian.

        [–]MasterBlaster_xxx 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Also the first Maximillian fought in the frontline with his soldiers

        [–]RichardHenri 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Well, maybe not charging the frontline but, you know, standing in the back dressed like that :D

        [–]WhipnCrack 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Look at the detail ...

        [–]ziper1221 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        how did they get the gold to stick?

        [–]LordP666 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Wow, just WOW.

        Incredible work.

        [–]Caiur 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Is this a Negroli piece?

        [–]dvfex 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Internet says Eliseus Libaerts was the maker.

        [–]HORNS_IN_CALI 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I'm assuming that these details were made through a combination of repousse and engraving?

        [–]YouDumbZombie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Warhammer as fuck.

        [–]Twirlingbarbie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Zoom in on the black and gold edge band. I don't know why but that even has more details than the rest.

        [–]msamiei 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Wonder how many people can make things like this these days. Amazing

        [–]vampyire 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        thanks for sharing

        [–]fatnerdyjesus 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        That's amazing.

        [–]swaite 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This would be a badass tattoo.

        [–]catherine-zeta-jones 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I like the two pairs of dudes cuddling on the shoulder plates.

        [–]AromaticProfile 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        I’ll bet this armor has dope stats.

        [–]Vikkiepikkie 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Was this used in battle?

        [–]I_make_things 11 points12 points  (2 children)

        I dunno why reddit has such a hardon for downvoting people who ask questions.

        No, this is not for battle, it is ceremonial armor.

        Here's the front of the helmet

        Here's more info

        [–]Vikkiepikkie 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Thanks

        [–]FreeMyMen 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Helmet reminds me of a cross between a rhino and a rooster.

        [–]Mulletboiiii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Man! I’d wear that on a night out!

        [–]_jycee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        this is so pretty

        [–]Clavo_PR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Art, the person who made this was definitely blessed with talent.

        [–]April_Fabb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        It’s fantastic how some parts are perfectly mirrored and others not. Would love to know what instruments were involved to produce this madness, and how long it took.

        [–]xoxo-johnny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Awesome

        [–]alexstown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Damn a lot of details. How long did it take to do this?

        [–]bellburgandy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That is insane.

        [–]KungFuPossum 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        No doubt such armor was ceremonial & rarely if ever made it to combat, but the first thing I thought was, "How scary would it be if someone walked up to you on the battlefield wearing that?"

        Pretty sure I would be deeply intimidated that my enemy took their armor that seriously, though the more realistic reaction should probably be, "This rich fool's armor doesn't have a single scratch. Must've taken a wrong turn to have ended up in the battle!"

        [–]QueenPuff88 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The artistry and the time that this took is amazing.

        [–]Aloha-Potato 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        This is the armour i would wear while driving a bugatti into battle

        [–]rnunes1110 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        amazing, the details are amazing....

        [–]spud8806 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Oh.. my... god That’s beautiful

        [–]renoraid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        ceremonial armor no doubt. just imagine getting this masterpiece scratched in a battle.

        [–]timshwah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I like how on the right shoulder the dude about to be body slammed is kicking his own ass and dude on left is flailing. The most notable symmetrical difference to me.

        [–]Mo-dart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wooooooow

        [–]supergrover2112 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wow. Amazing. Such detail and artistry. Does anyone do anything like that today? Maybe too busy to create something like that.

        [–]tardigradedontcare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        There is a camel in there.

        [–]NorwegianTeacher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I’ve seen this before but I never took the time to zoom in on the details. It’s amazing! There’s a camel in there!

        [–]Weedes1984 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Very handsome armor. Not a scratch on it.

        [–]Apricot_grey 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        that’s some sick armour

        [–]xxuuee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Wow.

        [–]bogmire 3 points4 points  (0 children)

        Flexing on the haters since 1555

        [–]eutohkgtorsatoca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Did you get that at Versace?

        [–]1Shortof2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        How long would a piece like this take to make?

        [–]GoatMelks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Wouldn’t the pauldrons rub on the breastplate after scratch away all those beautiful metal engravings?

        [–]rubellio69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Beawtifull....

        [–]Sumdumguy10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        What do we actually know about it tho? Who made it? How long did it take to make? What was it made of(an alloy or plain steel)? Did one person do it all or was it a team effort? What tools were used? Did the armorer do the engraving or was it sent from one shop to the next? So many details I'd love to know

        [–]Lastname_boss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Idk why but I’m not sure if I find the detail of this fascinating or terrifying... 😳😍

        [–]ScythingSantos 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Cows guard thine nipples

        [–]makopa_fruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I see, they already have laser printing machine back then.